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President Obama dropped the n-word during a conversation with comedian Marc Maron on Maron’s WTF podcast.

“We are not cured of it,” Obama told host. “And it’s not just a matter of it not being polite to say nigger in public. That’s not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It’s not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies don’t, overnight, completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior.”

Obama challenged Americans to think long and hard about its gun laws following the shooting deaths of nine Black South Carolina churchgoers last week. “The question is, is there a way of accommodating that legitimate set of traditions with some common-sense stuff that prevents a 21-year-old who is angry about something, or confused about something, or is racist, or is, you know, deranged from going into a gun store and suddenly is packing and can do enormous harm?” Obama said. “And that is not something that we have ever fully come to terms with.”

You can listen to the podcast here.

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